No amount of spacer shifting will change that unfortunately. Easy setup Portable/storable Budget-friendly. To clarify, my personal power meters will read 150 watts and Suito jumps between 160 to 170 watts. Racing on Swift is thus no fun. However, in Elite’s case it was impacting rider feel for some people, causing vibrations. I’m not super stong or anything like that. Last days of August. I am using the included Shimano 105 11 speed cassette. Is this what everyone’s Suito does? from Vibiker September 16, 2020 Was looking for a trainer since early 2020 to ride during the rainy west coast weather. Mine is ok (long cord), bought in France via internet retailer and really happy ! It’d easily fit in a suitcase. Using checked luggage there’d be no problems at all, it’s well under the standard 50lbs/22kg weight limit most airlines use. The CORE you’ll need to attach the legs (3-5 mins if you do it right the first time), then install a cassette (60 seconds if you’ve done it before, probably 5-15 mins if you’ve never done it). See link to elitesrl.zendesk.com. Overall very happy with the purchase. The wobbly flywheel didn't cause too much of an issue when you are pedaling, but when you stop (say going downhill in zwift) it would make the front of my bike shudder. J’en doutais grandement quand j’avais lu ça (et pourtant je suis bricoleur). It's my first direct drive trainer, so i don't have much to compare it to, but it is a lot more quiet than a wheel on trainer and riding it feels much more realistic. Elite support it not being helpful past the point to just state to replace it and contact where I got it from. Consodering purchasing the Suito, having trouble figuring out if it will work with my dale synapses 142x9mm quickrelease or the dropouts. But I also want to record to my Polar watches (V800 oder Vantage V). Can someone send me a photo of such information? In your experience, how much lower does the Suito measure power compared to your power meter. Many thanks in advance. Would that happen to be from Boerkop Cykler? If I just turn it off for a couple seconds and turn it on, the speed then seems to start reporting correctly for that wattage. Elite Suito from XZwyft September 8, 2020 This is my first smart trainer. Sabin alex – thanks for the info. The most common question I receive outside of the “what’s the best GPS watch for me” variant, are photography-esq based. So my view on the elite suito. I ask because I am interested in the Suito and don’t have a Powermeter to check it’s measuring correct. So it didn’t seem loose when I tried to tighten it by hand, but when I used a spanner it would obviously feel it was. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Quiet. Easy setup Realistic inertiaWell-built Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. I actually bought the trainer from Cykelexperten. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Bij Futurumshop konden ze het me ook niet vertellen. Mine came with hardware version 2 (it seemed like 1 and 2 had the problem) so I’ve asked if there’s anything they can do to verify the new one they send me is a later production model. I’m headed to Washington DC – what do you recommend for training? Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! The Elite Suito is easy to set up and to use. What can be done?…i mean i dont want to raise the back and put things under my mat:). For the Suito it’s taking about 3-4 seconds to stabilize. But even if it’s a bit better, it’s still way off and completely unacceptable…. Easy set up and easy to change cassettes for other bikes as well. Oh – wait – cadence you ask? That keeps it from decapacitating itself when you trip over the cable. Specifically I wanted to see the sprints more accurate (Check, done), and I wanted to see ERG mode responsiveness better (Check, better – albeit not perfect). Basically in a better spot than summer. First, it comes with everything you need (i.e., cassette installed) but two things that are underrated about this trainer is its compact size (as wide as the skewer) and it's lightweight making it easy to move around in a small apartment. It came with an 11spd cassette, and a cheaper price (20% less than a Kickr Core). As for the vibrations, my unit vibrates as well, finetuning indexing helped a bit, I think…. And, in case you can’t remember which power adapter is which, here’s a closer look at the specs on this: Of course, that bit is mostly for my own benefit, when I mix them up and have to refer back to my own review to figure out which is which. It stands up really well when shaking whilst putting in high power outputs climbing or sprinting and has adjustable feet on the supports that ensure the trainers stays upright and level at all times. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Portable/storable Quiet. So where does this leave me. It also has a far more natural feel. Hey guys – i’ve recently bought a Suito from one of the cycle shops here in Denmark. Still waiting to here back from Elite but not hopeful that I’ll be able to get a replacement trainer during the current Covid crisis. Availability is a nightmare right now. Heeft er iemand ervaring met het fietsen van de Tacx routes op een Elite Suito? I think the earlier ones were more likely to be impacting US folks due to the lag time. Shifting is fine now, but the noise makes me nervous. que unidades o que nº de series son los afectados y que unidades son ya correctas? Just drivetrain noise. The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together, so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love). Hi Lars, And finally, there’s some paper stuff. Few note issues in the past 3 weeks. It has a carry handle, folds up very nicely and already comes with a rear cassette. Had to send a video of the issue, but it was all taken care of quick and easy…probably the easiest return I have ever had. However need something pretty straight forward. It’s a manual, and some flyers. I roughly draw the line as: If you visually notice it when putting a camera behind you pointed at it, but can’t otherwise feel it – it’s fine. I love it. I tried pairing again, but that does not resolve the issue. I just got mine yesterday. Had some huge speed readings so just wondering what you’d put as the manual wheel size on the speed/cadence sensor? My Suito works fine … except power reading, which are a bit to low (not relevant for me since I have a powermeter on my bike). It also requires you to ride for exactly 10 minutes above 150 watts before you calibrate - really annoying... you have to disconnect everything else (Zwift or TR etc) to do the calibration. Higher and lower speeds are alright. Good luck with the Elite Suito. ERG mode with the Suito simply is unusable in it’s current state, which is a bummer because I perform over 80% of my indoor training in this mode. Very happy with it so far. Yeah, because vibrations are pretty hard to record… And in most cases, most companies decided to take a twofer approach – hitting both issue groups instead of just taking one serving. Not sure that’s the right assumption, but that’s the case nonetheless across all brands. I also just put together my complete ‘Gear I Use’ equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). I decided to hold judgement until I can be sure. For example, how quickly does the trainer respond and match what Zwift shows on the screen (mostly good in this case), and then how accurate is it within that (also largely good here): Of course, the downside to this course is that visually it makes your head hurt when looking at graphs like the above. Perfect! They were stumped and spent over an hour making sure the the set up was correct regarding cassette spacing, derailleur tuning, etc.. It’s nice when it works but in my experience most of the time it doesn’t. It sends signal to both apple tv and garmin at the same time and is way more accurate than the garmin watch alone. My oldest son decided to join me cycling indoor which is great, which gave me an excuse to shop for my first direct drive. After warming up for 12min at a decent intensity (>200W). Thanks, and greetings from the Puget Sound area…. and a lot of noise and vibrations especially on the smaller end of the cassette. If you buy one of course there is a very high chance it will be fine…but I think the risk of getting a faulty unit is higher than for other brands or even other Elite models. Coming from running I’m completely new to cycling. I’d really like the distance / speed correct to garmin since that is where I’m monitoring my progress, especially for when I bike outdoors without zwift. But it affects my training sessions cause the dropouts affect the power average and my training app consider that I am training lower then expected especially while using ERG mode. While using TR, Suito will not follow the watt changes when I went from 210 watts to 88 watts - has happened the last two times (had to go to manual). I’m a software architect by trade and a tinkerer by choice. Set up was a total breeze, connection to Zwift was painless, it is almost totally silent (the drive train is way louder that the trainer) and stores away in a snap. But all said, it should look about the same. However even paired up I see issues with latency in the power reading primarily on sprints and up to 5min efforts…so here the fix is to pair the pedals directly to Zwift…. I can’t tell if some of the noise is the quirks of my bike in certain gears or the actual ticking noise described. With some, somehow acceptable wobble. Am I gonna have to change cassette every time? For me to many workarounds for something the competitors can make work—so go with something else … although seems to be sellers market these days ! My guess is there’s some minor kinks to work out there between the two companies. So I get horrible high speed values and I am messing up all my statistics. Plug in the Elite Suite and it turns on and starts actively looking for bluetooth/ant+ connections. Except this wobble which I suppose everey suito got more or less, this Trainer would be perfect. B) It saves waste shipping trainers twice (once from consumer to retailer, and then again from retailer to distributor). Your opinion Ray? For me it fixed the issue, and the trainer rides like it is brand new. The bike is attached firmly, the unit is flat and stable on the ground – but the turbo itself almost feels like 2 separate entities allowing this flex to occur. I know that the Core is quieter but, Is there an appreciable difference between them? I bailed out and recalibrated the trainer using my phone over BLE and tested in Zwift again – no resistance. After adjusting the derailleur, the shifting is fine. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Budget-friendly. I'm not a heavy rider, only 56kg, and my sprinting power isn't great. My old bike is 10spd, and would probably live on the trainer most of the time. So I don’t use it. Overall design is brilliant! I found out that when using an external watch or bike computer (in my case: Garmin Fenix) to record an indoor ride with the Suito, the wheel circumference setting should be the actual wheel circumference / 24.8. Returned mine today under warranty, they said it takes about 4 weeks to get it back from elite. Of note for fun is that I left the two different recordings of the Elite Suito in the graph below. Elite has it’s child-diseases but unlike the positive reviews, I still read a lot of users that want to change their Suito for a Core. I started at 10400 and I’m now at 11100. Had some initial problems with my heart band which actually had impact on the programs. I don’t zwift or anything so it doesn’t really bother me if I can still use it in ERG mode so haven’t pursued a fix. Readings kinda all over the place, probably a feature, not a bug though. They occur on a nearly weekly basis when the trainer season kicks up (right now) and get heated at times when the pendulum swings to “cheating” claims , Just to be clear – it does not make you faster at a given power. This is because TrainerRoad, after the workout, only shows the original workout specification, and not the adjusted target value. Will also connect with your garmin device along with all other virtual cycling platforms, rouvy, myEtraining, etc. It's not cheap compared to wheel-on trainer but it's quiet and you don't have to worry about tire pressure. I have only ever had 1 issue when with when my power reading were not very good. The Zwift forum is full of similar complaint, no solution in sight. VO2 MAX intervals were impossible at first, now they just hurt as they should. Have the teething issues with this one been addressed? The speed reporting to zwift via bluetooth seems to be fine throughout this but I’m wordering because it knows that ERG mode is on, while my garmin doesn’t since it doesn’t have control of the trainer? I am convinced something is not right at all. If the offset was always the same I could live with, but it all over the place. You can install any 9/10/11 speed cassette you want on it. I set it up anyway. With Suito I have been able to get back into a routine and not just that. Histoire de bien faire les choses, je re… I really liked all the tech data and analyses! I find this set up doesn’t feel as good as using the big ring up front with the rear cog in the general area of the middle. It came from my chain lube. Major issues where Power meter and resistances fails. Paincave is in basement, so noise is kinda secondary. In this case, I was still comparing against the Quarq and PowerTap P2 pedals, but they seemed better behaved this day. Occasionally (e.g. Why is it so hard to set up? The machine is good unless you want to race on Swift. I’ve corresponded with Chainreactions and without much a-do, they say just send it back. Should have probably bought Kickr Core when they were still in stock. I assume this phenomenon is coming from the flywheel wobble. That said, Elite has been pretty active in swapping out trainers. Mostly, the experience will suck. In this mode, it’s just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. I only got an issue 3 or 4 times during trainings (ERG mode): suddenly the "brake" activates and is very strong. I'm very pleased with my Elite Suito which is doing it's job perfectly. Noise wise is acceptable, not quite though, and it squeaks under higher power so sometimes a bit annoying. Hardware revision 4. I have bought a Suito. And you’ll see imperfections in trueness on other trainers too. For me, in my testing, I used Zwift and TrainerRoad as my two main apps (which are the two main apps I use personally). I am using my trainer with Zwift connected via bluetooth and recording on my forerunner 945 via ant+ to ensure all the stats go to garmin correctly. Generally speaking there’s about a 4-6 week delay in distribution from Elite to shops in the US. That’s what I do with my Stages PM, always consistent training! Not able to sustain such level and quite disturbing. I had been using a wheel-on trainer (M2) which felt more secure by design and I was using a Cycelops riser block as well, likely more sturdy than the Elite riser ion the Suito box. Anyway, it hasn't happened recently. Heavy middle of the pack rider in B on zwift, but peaking at 1400 watts in sprints with an average of 1100 watts over 15s. Yes i´ve noticed just the same that the cadence is jumping sometimes but usually only on lower watts, today i tested against vector3 in a 2h groupride on zwift and W was exactly the same even thou in the end i made 10 sec sprints and V3 showd 700-1000W but suito only 600-700W and top cadence on those were 140 vs 120. I didn’t want to “cheat” by decreasing either the FTP in E-Training parameter or the % of difficulty during the session (still in the app) so I tried to use the “PML” the Power Meter Link. It calculates your form based on your power data. I contacted support and they responded within 24 hrs, but i found the fix first anyway....for some reason in the MyEtraining software it had "deselected" itself so once i retold the software it was a Suito all was good. If you want to use all the combinations on the 10s bike it can start to be a bit noisy, symptom that you probably shouldn’t do that (or if you really want then some rear derailleur indexing is needed every time you change from trainer to bike and viceversa). The trainer is a mess unfortunately…. Apart from above doubts it works quite good and I don’t see issues within Zwift, power and reaction to ERG mode is okay for someone who experiences this for the first time. I just want to load my own training plans into the software and use it on ERG mode. Please take note that Suito has an high precision power calculation that consider the inertia of the flywheel and also the way and how smooth you pedaling is, a fluctuation on the power is so completely normal, and it does not indicate a trainer issue but it is the consequence of its high precision, A fluctuation on the power (sometimes it could be up to 20-25W) is completely normal and caused by the above consideration”. It is very portable and tolerable as you can fold both legs. For example, check out these two moderate 600w surges I did – it easily nailed the wattage here: And then again at these 800w sprints I did – it’s virtually identical between the different power sources: If we look at the Mean/Max graphs for this ride, you’ll see the values are also super close across all the devices (and recording types): Nobody would quibble about those numbers, that’s for sure.