Thanks Teo. The Suito did change resistance when I ran Zwift on my phone with Bluetooth but nothing works with ANT+, which is unacceptable. The small ring up front set up almost seems to “loose” so to speak and makes it difficult to maintain proper cadence (at least 85 recommended) and have the target power. En juillet 2019, Elite a annoncé la présentation de son nouveau vélo à home trainer, l’Elite Suito, qui, avec Bkool Smart Air, sera le rouleau à battre pour cette année 2019, mais c’est cet Elite Suito (prononcé sweet-o) qui sera mis en première position en raison de son rapport qualité/prix. I mean, pull and play. Installation du home trainer Elite Suito. Since this is my first trainer I can't really provide any comparison to other brands or models. Great trainer! As for sound? Does anyone know what size the nut is? To summarize: Please don’t buy this device. When recording with ERG mode on, the speed reported back to my garmin via ant+ is way low. If you're shopping for the Elite Suito or any other accessory items, please consider using the affiliate links below! Still, I like the little card. The problem is: on the web you’ll likely get feedback from people with bad experiences. Basically in a better spot than summer. Did my first ride on the replacement trainer yesterday. However, it is important that you set the wheel circumference according to the manual. Direto X for 660 EUR on minor sale- Adding an other extra 10% on budget. Yeah, I’d say Teo has pretty much nailed how that’ll work functionality-wise. And the reality is that the vast majority of people are fine. Update: After further back-and-forth with Elite, I believe the issue comes down to Power Smoothing. However, the ERG response (how fast you are locked onto the new power target) will likely be SLOWER when using PML than when using the Suito internal power meter, as there is an extra feedback loop to match the power levels. I’ve been a power meter user for 7 years so for me it is important that accuracy is at least reliable. Suito features a practical integrated handle, designed to let you easily transport your hometrainer anytime, at home or at the gym. I bought this trainer based on a couple of reviews, assuming the hardware and software issues were solved by now. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, Kinomap and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app you’d like. Suito’s innovative design offers you an easy, realistic and accurate indoor bike training experience. Then I’ve changed my cap to 500 eur. There is a extreme wobble in the fly wheel which rocks the whole bike and a horribly loud knocking noise that developed after about 100 miles. Hope this will be useful for someone. I have tried updating the firmware on the app for a while now and it always says there is no new update. Unless I totally misunderstand things, that kind of makes Powerlink redundant, right? Scott. Linking my PM to zwift is an option. I note the review says that you can calibrate the Elite Suito in Zwift. In the above, you’ll note there’s cadence data baked into the various streams. Since the beggining of the pandemic im 100% indoors, having a huge improvement on my cycling and most important happy&healthy ! It's also light-is at 14kg which is perfect for moving it when folded up, but I can also shuffle it around when sprinting, which isn't great. It's my first direct drive trainer, so i don't have much to compare it to, but it is a lot more quiet than a wheel on trainer and riding it feels much more realistic. Well, I seem to be missing a couple of bolts – this surely can’t be helping my stability! Thanks for your help! I swim, bike and run. It‘s about 10-15% too low. The worst to me was Tacxs slippage issue with the earlier Neos (admittedly, I do believe that’s a design limitation, but I couldnt accept the fact Im riding a dud and they supposedly fixed it with a new 2T), I’m heavily considering this alongside with the Kickr Core. Riding this since a few days. I use Elite Qubo Fluid, i dont use Zwift or another program, simply – pedals with powermeter, fil/music – go. I would not hesitate to buy another one if i had to, Elite Suito – A great direct drive trainer and works a treat from Aj Saunders September 18, 2020 Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Quiet, Great trainer for its price from talhalegua September 17, 2020 Easy setup, stable, relatively easy to move around. Easy setup Well-built Portable/storable Budget-friendly. Hardware revision 4. The speed reporting to zwift via bluetooth seems to be fine throughout this but I’m wordering because it knows that ERG mode is on, while my garmin doesn’t since it doesn’t have control of the trainer? ok, thanks, the nut feels rock-solid when I try to move it by hand…but I will have another look and see if I can find a spanner that size…power readings are still off, though…. The adapter on the cassette side needs to balanced in the hole when installing the bike as it falls out from the slightest movement. How can assess which hardware version do I have? Is anyone still experienced having to send them back because of the issues ? The actual upgrade process only takes about 4-5 mins, super quick and super easy. I think so. …again I am pairing up the pedals to the Suito so not a big issue (other than knowing) – and I then have consistency to my power reading on the road. I think it”s a wonderfull machine . By applying resistance control, apps can simulate climbs as well as set specific wattage targets. Heavy middle of the pack rider in B on zwift, but peaking at 1400 watts in sprints with an average of 1100 watts over 15s. Even Wahoo and 4iiii also ran into struggles this season. I gets hard to keep at a specific wattage at times. Once they receive the defective unit they will send a new one. I have never been able to calibrate Suito using Zwift or TR. In any case, I was looking to see how it reacted in two core apps: Zwift and TrainerRoad (Bluetooth Smart on Apple TV and iPad). But most of this all boils down to two core methods: ERG Mode: Setting a specific power level – i.e., 210w. I followed this procedure but engaged a much higher gear to obtain a much higher speed than previously and this worked. The lighter flywheel (less inertia) is immediately noticeable. Since then, I am so glad to get the same figures on my watch/pedal that I have on my trainer/cellphone. Highly recommended. PS: make sure your phone screen won’t turn off during the firmware upgrade. Also note that being in the smaller chainring (up front) will help in this regard, and is exactly why TrainerRoad recommends using ERG mode in that configuration. I have no powermeter so I imagine this is going to be a hassle to prove anything. This winter things are a bit different. I returned this trainer and went to a Kickr Core, and instantly felt easier at a steady 200w effort, even after calibrating twice. The Suito follows the same app compatibility standards as previous Elite products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. And again, don’t forget you can make your own charts in the product comparison tables here. And it seems like there is no Software update coming…. AFAIK, this trainer can handle the 3 real standards I listed. The machine is good unless you want to race on Swift. I got rid of the knocking sound (and a loose axle) by thightening the big nut located in the left side with a 30mm spanner. I was ready to accept the slight flywheel wobble, but then I got the dreaded knocking noise. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly. that makes sense. Apparently Quality control on earlier versions was not the best, but so far I have used the trainer for 5 hours and am very happy with it. Also a SUI-Version here. Good Luck. I have the short cord…so it is an earlier manufacture of the unit. Next in the package of parts is the front wheel block. Roligt träningsredskap from Den Starke September 9, 2020 Den fungerar utmärkt och hjälpte mig genom vintern här i sverige.kanske för lättrampat i backarna . I’m looking at multiple factors here. Yes, you can pull it out of the box and start pedaling but that’s it. I’ve had my Suito for 4 months now, zwifting every day with no problem. As for the shifting, still a problem on the Wahoo – it is likely my rear wheel/hub/cassette has different spacing than most. Easy setup Accurate power Well-built Helpful support Portable/storable Quiet. Ordered from an internet retailer in US for 619$, delaer said he just got a fresh batch of these, so fingers crossed it’s one of the newer ones. For instance, today on Zwift, the gradient increased to 15% and the resistance from the trainer became very high. Now it seems to be getting worse though – to a degree where it’s probably freaking out the neighbors…, I also checked the power against my 4iiii PM (after calibrating both) and the Suito reads noticeably lower (see image). Had some initial problems with my heart band which actually had impact on the programs. Is this unit compatible with a 12 speed cassette (SRAM Force 10-28T)? True, but the deviation increases when power goed up, it is 30% below 170w, and up to 50% above 220w. For everyone who has knocking sounds, or flywheel wiggle / movement. When riding the flex of the unit almost goes against the flex/movement of the bike and it feels horrible! I also just put together my complete ‘Gear I Use’ equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). Super easy. I’m currently using a non-smart Tacx Vortex (shows watts, can erg, but no FE-C, and I could not catch broadcasted wattage data unfortunately (one of my main issues)), I was considering the Tuo as well, but as there’s no review yet anywhere, (and those always stated at 4-6 weeks availablity at rosebikes) i moved to direct drive, hence the Sutio. I had dropouts on bluetooth connection with a macbook but no issues on PC or mac with a cheap ANT+ dongle and a USB extension (this should be part of the package). I did calibrate the unit, and am still having the issue. The reasons are simple: A) It saves money Now stay with me here – this setup is gonna be pretty complex. Though honestly, I think it’ll probably still decapacitate itself…just at a lower point instead. Would highly recommend this trainer to anyone looking for a smart trainer with power and cadence sensor compatible with Zwift and many other platforms. . Currently, I have no spacers on it and the gears were jumping unpredictably. You can adjust every powerzone and it will be semi-okay, but that is a lot of hassle for something that should just work. So do you have to have a power meter to be able to use this with TR or Zwift? Was the wahoo core noticeably quieter Specifically I wanted to see the sprints more accurate (Check, done), and I wanted to see ERG mode responsiveness better (Check, better – albeit not perfect). *For spacers, I don’t know your cassette off-hand, but if the spacers are installed correctly (as in, whether or not to have them per the manual), then the shifting should line up identically so it’ll match indoors/outdoors. I have now taken the cassette off and installed a 9sp cassette to place a dedicated trainer bike on. That is, it worked until Saturday. Wanna create comparison chart graphs just like I do for GPS, heart rate, power meters and more? Elite support it not being helpful past the point to just state to replace it and contact where I got it from. Mostly, the experience will suck. Nouveau. Which works, yes, but is it spinning down properly if it was expecting 35? And finally – it was designed to be entirely ready to ride by just pulling it out of the box – no assembly required. I was looking for information about drivetrain loss in a bicycle and found this one: did you pair the Suito as a “power source”? Been using it for half a year now and never had experienced any problems. Easy setup Well-built. If it makes no difference I would ask for this mapping. About this product. Thans to the combination of Elite trainer and Zwift programs. Noticeably less vibration with high flywheel speeds. You can certainly use the CycleOps one just fine though! How ever, in my experience, this is only a problem for the neighbours. Finally, at least someone got it right. I’m headed to Washington DC – what do you recommend for training? And finally, there’s some paper stuff. The end result may depend also on other factors, so it might work for me and not for someone else. Not so much if i try to get off the seat and peddle. In that sense a small chainring better simulate the road feel of a hill while the big chainring a flat course; which is probably also why it feels easier with big chainring, as the high momentum of the flywheel “helps” to stay on top of the target power once we reach it. Just setting up my Suito and pairing it with Garmin as well. Oh, and free US shipping too! The serial number is printed on a silver label, placed on the trainer. (Not the bike, I tried different bikes). But I also think there’s still going to be people who are going to get some of that initial stock – especially in North America where it may be sitting on shelves still. It came with an 11spd cassette, and a cheaper price (20% less than a Kickr Core). You should check out my videos. I was in the market for a new trainer in nov-dec, and based on the specs Suito fits (suits my needs very well. Technically there’s also plugging it in. The bike is attached firmly, the unit is flat and stable on the ground – but the turbo itself almost feels like 2 separate entities allowing this flex to occur. At that point I opened up Rouvy again, thinking that if it worked that at least that was another data point. Hi. Hi everyone, I am considering buying this trainer. But you will have to spend more money. I have initially paired the trainer via iPhone app, done a free ride of 11mins in Garmin FR945 Bike Indoors activity, and then calibrated in My ETraining app twice. After an hour deviation goes down a bit. Let´s assume you measure 200 Watts on the crank, then the measured wattage of the trainer should be between 4 and 8 Watts less. The Elite suito fit in the suitcase. I highly reccomend to buy this trainer form Elite. The mentioned publication states that the drivetrain efficiency is normally between 96 and 98 % (Bild 3). You’ll also see above there’s the quick release skewer, and then inside the bag there’s the thru-axle parts for 142×12. Trainer Difficulty is a funny subject on it’s own, and often misunderstood. Had my Suito for a week, revision hardware 3. To sum my rant up – not very happy with Suito so far, knocking sounds are apparently still a thing, even on the newest units. Can’t compare to a high end trainer for that matter. So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, I’ve complied this “My Photography Gear” post for your curious minds! I received my 2nd replacement yesterday. I’m quite new to trainers but have done already quite some research and I think both trainers are the best choice for mid-high end trainers. According to Upgrado app, my unit is a 006 hardware revision, firmware version 191, serial no. Probably you. ERG mode is ok but not fantastic, power still fluctuate around +/-10W in ERG mode. Power and cadence readings in Zwift are quite volatile, in line with Elite`s statement someone posted above – there is not a lot of smoothing going on, the trainer kinda overreacts to every imperfection in my pedalling technique (Zwift regularly shows jumps in RPM from 50 to 90 and back all in one second, in ERG mode, when I am pedalling “smoothly”). The power control seems good to me, though I haven’t tested against my power meter. In general, Elite apps and the rest of UX don’t feel very polished – Elite, please fire the person who translated the user manual to Czech, it is embarrasing. If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. In this case, I was still comparing against the Quarq and PowerTap P2 pedals, but they seemed better behaved this day. I have to adjust the derailleur just as I had to on the Suito. The only negative, which is more a an annoyance than anything else, is that you cant calibrate i zwift - instead having to us the Elite MyEtraining....and then a different app to upgrade the firware. It stands up really well when shaking whilst putting in high power outputs climbing or sprinting and has adjustable feet on the supports that ensure the trainers stays upright and level at all times. Easy setup Accurate power Realistic inertiaWell-built Budget-friendly. DiretoX are coming down to EUR649 or even 629. Surprisingly this worked and ANT+ worked! In their own app, which looks like it was written for DOS, it gives you a value at the end of the spin down (the time its took to stop) and you're left wondering "so what?". Did you get the power issue solved, and did you calibrate the unit? TL;DR: Having issues with knocking sounds on a 2020 unit (hw revision 006). Oh well, may be the trainer gods will be nice to me later today. I received the following instructions from Elite on performing the power calibration: – power off the trainer I really hoped it would work out, but I got burned. The calibration, at first glance, seems to be the culprit, my first calibration value was over 10K, my second calibration value over BLE though was <10K which I thought was odd. Unfortunately, in practice for the first few months of the season – it was rather variable due to initial production hardware and software issues. After i upgraded the FW on the Suito to the latest one using the Upgrado app, it was fixed. Comparing to the Kickr Core, I found it quite a bit less momentum when pedaling up steep gradients, it felt a bit more choppy to pedal than a Kickr Core. Anyhow, tightening the left nut did not work for me and the knocking sounds are still present . Many thanks in advance. And technically, there are two apps here. Now what I see from comments that the Suito initial problems are not quite sorted out, there are still cases where users experiencing nasty things. Any suggestions? I think the earlier ones were more likely to be impacting US folks due to the lag time. Also, note that your trainers software can be updated using a separate "Elite Upgrado" app. Lube belongs on the chain generally, and is not often done on the cassette itself. Hey, I consider to buy a Elite Suito but I noticed that the first models had some problems. You’d never know, because they indexed the gears ‘correctly’ for the incorrect spacers.
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